Talk:Archangels

Splitting the page
I have considered that this page is too long and perhaps it need to be shorten. So i came to think that perhaps the Fallen Angels should be split apart from it, and have their own article. What do you people think? --Gojita 09:41, 27 February 2009 (UTC)Gojita

its done Gojita samaEliskuya2 06:04, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Pictures
I think this page should include the original designs, like the Spanish page does here: https://shamanking.fandom.com/es/wiki/Arc%C3%A1ngeles The current pictures aren't actually the Over Souls, they're the car Spirits themselves transformed into angel form. The original pictures are what the Over Souls using those Spirits look like. It's like the difference between Bason's ghost and the Over Soul that looks like Bason's torso, they're technically two different designs. The angels have three different designs: their spirit car mode, their spirit angel mode, and their Over Soul angel mode. There's also an Over Soul car mode, but it looks identical to the spirit car mode, so there's no point including it.70.176.192.65 14:07, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * If its a new art design or as you say, a different form, from their actual over soul, is not something the author have mentioned anywhere. Your explainatio sounds too much like a fan theory to me. Gojita (talk) 15:00, 1 November 2020 (UTC)Gojita


 * It seems pretty obvious to me that's what the new designs are. They look like car-transformers, while the old designs don't. Either way, the old designs are what the Over Souls actually look like in the manga, so the images of them should be included in the page. Not including them is just confusing.70.176.192.65 14:07, 15 November 2020 (UTC)


 * And once again, I would like to point out, that this is mainly your own opinion on the matter, not based on any difference actually beeing shown/mentioned in the manga series or by the author in any way, so if you find it confusing, sorry to hear that, but you have nothing concrete to validate your theory! Gojita (talk) 22:19, 15 November 2020 (UTC)Gojita


 * I don't care about the theory! It would just be confusing for a manga reader who wants to look up the angels, like what if someone wants to do fan-art of them, and they find these designs that look nothing like their original manga designs? Just include both images, with a little explanation that the second designs are redesigns from years later. The point of a wiki is to make things clear and convenient, where else on the internet is someone supposed to go if they want to find images of all the Angels in one convenient place?70.176.192.65 09:53, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

And now you are just going on about your personal feelings, regarding the topic. I once again point out, you have no actual evidence from the source material or the author, only your own theory. Gojita (talk) 19:49, 16 November 2020 (UTC)Gojita


 * Are you even listening? I just said that I don't care about the theory, it's just idiotic for a wiki to not include images of what the Angels actually look like in the manga! It's not about "evidence", the images on the page are not what the Angels look like in the manga, simple as that, and the manga is the most important source. The newer designs are essentially just speculative fan-art of what the Angels could have looked like if they looked more like car-transformers, but the older designs are what they actually look like in the original source material, which should take precedent! 70.176.192.65 23:38, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Restructuring
I think that the Fallen Angels should be reintegrated into this article and that the individual angels should be split off into separate ones.

The Fallen Angels are still Mobile Angels like the Archangels and I think it would be best to keep all the relevant information about them in one place rather than split between two, repeating the same information. While the X-Laws and their angels spend a bulk of their time in the original series together (so there was plenty of overlap), the setup for the Flower of Maize has them divided so there will likely be more differentiation among the angels and their abilities. Additionally, splitting the angels into separate articles will improve the layouts for the already more individualized angels, like Zelel. There's also a bunch of bad information in this article that I want to remove, and it'll be easier to do when transitioning them to new pages. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 14:06, 9 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Since there haven't been any objections, I'll probably start with Michael and Zelel. Dragonus Nesha (talk) 02:02, 24 November 2023 (UTC)